Phil Jones, editor of The Jeremy Vine Show on broadcasting in the age of Covid

Phil Jones worked on a children's play bus, at a refuge for teenage runaways and as a gardener before training as a journalist. He has worked on The Jeremy Vine Show (and its predecessor The Jimmy Young Show) for 30 years. He thought Covid was just like flu, but when he woke up with it, on the first day of lockdown, he found out it wasn't. In this podcast, he talks about his brush with mortality, how public broadcasting can help the culture wars and why he's changed his mind about Brexit.