A hover board, a prick P.E teacher and young, dumb and living off mum. What a laugh, it's Rafe Spall! This week Kathy is joined by actor and star of 'Trying', Rafe Spall  The new series of 'Trying' is available on Apple TV+ To get the best discount off your NordVPN plan - go to https://nordvpn.com/wheretheresawill Want the episodes ad free AND extra content from Kathy? 6 Feet Under steps away from fantasy and rifles through your real funeral tales. Head to wheretheresawilltheresawake.com to subscribe. AND If you've got a story for us, send it over to [email protected]. A Sony Music Entertainment production.   Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices