Boris Johnson, the Scientists and 'the science'

There are signs of tension between Johnson, ministers and some of the scientists over the lockdown exit and the Cummings' affair. At first they appeared to be dancing together as ministers proclaimed absurdly that they were 'following the science', but now the mood on the dance floor darkens...plus Emily Maitlis and the BBC  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices