Along one studio’s journey to the highest levels, its founder struggles with darkness… only to discover a deeper purpose. GUEST Marcel Ziul is Executive Creative Director & Founder at State HOST Joel Pilger EPISODE CREDITS Produced by Jocelyn Arem at Arbo RadikoSound Design & Mix by Eric Singer at Coupe StudiosCat Herding by The Outsourceress Lidia ScarlatSpecial thanks to Rich Macar at Buttons NY and Dallas Taylor at Defacto Sound This episode is from ⁠The Fabulist⁠ collection of stories behind some of the world’s most interesting studios and production companies.  Enjoyed this conversation? Join RevCommunity, the gathering of owners running the world’s leading creative studios. Apply to join: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://revthink.com/community/⁠ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/revthinking/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/revthinking/support