4. J. Hope Stein, Matt from The National, and Carin at the Liquor Store

Mike celebrates the publication of The New One: Painfully True Stories from a Reluctant Dad with his co-writer and co-wife J. Hope Stein. They're joined by Matt Berninger, the lead singer of Mike’s favorite band The National as well as Matt’s co-writer and co-wife Carin Besser. This creative double date goes deep as the two married couples open up about creative marriages, actual marriages, and how writing poetry can feel like knitting.  Please consider supporting https://7inchesforplannedparenthood