Patrick Barry joins me to continue our discussion about the emerging contours of a metamodern wisdom school and the secular spirituality beginning to fill in the "missing tradition" between and beyond science and religion. 0:00 Introduction

0:34 Towards a Secular Spirituality

5:01 Awe and Mystery in Both Religion and Science

10:25 "Faith" in What Is

17:18 Being Naturally At Home in the Universe

27:08 Past Church and Academia: Forging a New Kind of Wisdom Institution

46:21 A New Story: A Self-Appreciating Cosmos

58:40 Meaning as Awe as Learning

1:04:18 Significance vs. Scale

1:09:58 Speculating on God and Telos: Finding Ourselves in the Depths of Being

1:24:23 Conclusion