S4-Ep9: The Dance Between Leadership & Followership

Guests: Margaret Heffernan & Ira Chaleff What we need from leaders today is vastly different than even a decade ago. That change began years ago; the pandemic merely accelerated it. The reason is simple: turbulence and uncertainty are now chronic conditions. Now, guest Margaret Heffernan says, leadership is about building organizations that thrive in turbulence. She shares six steps to make that happen. Then, Ira Chaleff switches the perspective to your followers. After all, the best leadership requires the best followership. Influence is not unidirectional from leader to follower; it bounces back from the front line to the back office, too. Ira reveals how followers act with courage to collaborate with leaders -- and shares the counterintuitive idea of intelligent disobedience.   Produced in partnership with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org.   Other episodes you'll enjoy: Uncharted: How to Map the Future Together with Margaret Heffernan Courageous Followership with Neil Grunberg & Ira Chaleff Non-Traditional Leadership Models for Our New Era with Nathan Eva & Nicole Ferry   For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re on Instagram, TikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!   RESOURCES:   Ira is a prolific writer. His books include The Courageous Follower, Intelligent Disobedience, The Limits of Violence (with Elan Le Vieux), The Art of Followership, and Setting Course: A Congressional Management Guide. Information on Ira’s consulting firm is at https://exe-coach.com; his own website is https://IraChaleff.com.   Margaret has many books as well, including Wilful Blindness: Why We Ignore the Obvious at Our Own Peril, Uncharted: How to Navigate the Future, and Women on Top: How Women Entrepreneurs Are Rewriting the Rules of Business Success. You can also see her in several TED Talks.   Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.    Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI. Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.    Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include: Everyday Ubuntu: Living Better Together, the African Way by Mungi Ngomane. Hardback (https://amzn.to/48Doh6j) and audiobook (https://amzn.to/48YCRF4) Nerve: Lessons on Leadership from Two Women Who Went First by Martha Piper & Indira Samarasekera. Paperback (https://amzn.to/3tOtzg4) and audiobook (https://amzn.to/41OYdT5) Jilly Truit murder mysteries by Beverley McLachlin: Full Disclosure – https://amzn.to/46TxW6Q (paperback) https://amzn.to/46VDL3Q (audiobook) Denial – https://amzn.to/46YCbhs (paperback) https://amzn.to/3GJc0AA (audiobook) Women and Leadership: Journey Toward Equity by Sherylle J. Tan & Lisa DeFrank-Cole NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links. -----------------------   OUR PODCAST TEAM:   Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf Editor & Producer: Dan Mushalko Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko Assistant Editor & Raconteur: Luigi Morelli Devotees of the Terpsichore: Jenna Reik & Mike Morrow-Fox CONNECT WITH US:  YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership  Threads: @innovativeleaders Twitter: @IL_Institute  LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2  Instagram: @innovativeleader  TikTok: @innovativeleadership Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com    Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!  -----------------------   About Our Guests:   Ira Chaleff is an author, speaker, and innovative thinker. His latest work, Intelligent Disobedience, is now available on Amazon. He is founder and president of Executive Coaching and Consulting Associates. As a coach, Ira provides a stimulating and safe environment for executives and their teams to examine, evaluate and significantly improve their management styles, skill