Episode 41: Inside the secret back-channel North Korea talks

For years, Suzanne DiMaggio and Joel Wit have been quietly meeting with North Koreans to talk about the country’s nuclear program. Since Trump was elected, DiMaggio and Wit have watched an initial outreach descend into a fury of name-calling, mutual recriminations and military escalation. DiMaggio and Wit give listeners a rare glimpse into the sensitivities of negotiating with North Korea, debunk assumptions about Kim Jong Un and give their takes on how concerned we should be about nuclear war.