21: Ryan and Charlie: Growing Up Gay, Falling in Love, and Finding Their Place in the Church

Sarah’s brother Ryan Clifford joins the podcast with his husband Charlie Bird. Charlie is a clinical therapist, author of Without the Mask and Expanding the Borders of Zion, and former BYU mascot. Ryan and Charlie reveal some of Sarah’s childhood secrets, explain what it was like coming out, and their personal journeys finding happiness and each other. This episode was so fun and ran long so we’ll be having Ryan and Charlie on again next week to finish the convo. If you liked this episode please leave us a review!!  Ryan and Charlies Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@CharlieandRyan https://instagram.com/mrcharliebird https://instagram.com/itsryanclifford Listen to the Fairly Odd Sisters on Spotify & Apple Podcasts:  Spotify // https://open.spotify.com/show/6NUNG59rPABfoHRh2dvEWM?si=GkZlt91RQkehXlW67Av3fg Apple Podcasts // https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fairly-odd-sisters/id1724839923  Follow the Fairly Odd Sisters Podcast to submit your stories for the pod!:  https://inst...