The guest interview for this episode is with Evangeline Sarda, JD. Evangeline (she, her, hers) is an Associate Clinical Law Professor at Boston College Law School. She is a co-creator of Group Relations International (GRI) and a Fellow of the A. K. Rice Institute for the Study of Social Systems (AKRI) and she was also a guest on Season 1 of the podcast. Evangeline has directed and consulted at many group relations conferences and will be directing the A. K. Rice institute's 2024 National Conference. In our conversation Evangeline and I discussed her group relations origins and influences, her personal narratives regarding race and culture, and her continued commitment to doing group relations work.